The initial prototype brass still bore the .50 AE head stamp and this has caused some confusion, as the SOCOM case is longer with a narrower rim. Got my Teppo Jutsu .458 SOCOM Upper Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by rick458, Oct 29, 2010. 0000014769 00000 n Range (yds) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft-lbs) Trajectory (in) - 1866 2319 (1.5) 50 1686 1894 0.8 100 1522 1542 - I also got some Hornady 350 grain #4503 projectiles. Maybe later printings? There is some reload info at Teppo Jutsu and there is some Quickload data for 325 FTX showing in the list. The .45 Professional was ruled out because, in an interview with industry press, the developer of said cartridge stated that steel proprietary to General Motors was used in the bolts and extractor to withstand the high operating pressures. 0000004626 00000 n Just can’t really find any load data. It was shown as effective in terms of ballistics, firing a 500 grain bullet subsonically, but not ideally suited for its role due to the size and weight of the platform. SBR continues ballistic research with the Teppo Jutsu family of cartridges. The cartridge case design was finalized based on discussions with Tony Rumore at Tromix suggesting a lengthened .50 AE case would work well in the magazines as well as be the largest diameter case to be able to feed through the barrel extension. Copyright SBR Ammunition. Bottom Line SP, and 325 gr. Case Trim Length C.O.L. Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.458_SOCOM&oldid=993974790, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2020, Articles needing additional references from August 2010, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 13 December 2020, at 14:19. 0000007115 00000 n ALL 250 gr 300 gr 325 gr 330 gr 350 gr 400 gr 570 gr. Load data and other info also available The458SOCOM.com. Lead data for .458socom is pretty much nil. from left to right: Boar Skull (that boar was shot with my 458 SOCOM), empty 50 Beowulf, empty 458 SOCOM case, 300 grain CORBON load, 400 grain Brass round nose CORBON load, 400 grain Barnes X, 405 grain remington softpoint, 66 grain hollowpoint Sabot, 72 grain Sierra Match Game King Sabot, and for compairson 300 grain 45-70 Gov't loaded by Winchester. h�b```g``������قA���bl,� ��{%�h�!V�m|����������49,_m����J7��N�洮�VnN��V���v]G†���Sf��Nh�ڝ�5[�e{L�N�)���Q��5-{� E���e�K->�s��ʚ%��#O�l�g�]D��~�� PWUt� �急��LJpaf����@I'�o{��8냕K���Ap�C$Í�����?�aYϰ�a �� ... 458 socom reloading data 458 socom reloading data. However, with the much larger .458 SOCOM, rounds "single stack" without any modification to the standard GI magazine feed lips or follower. 0000054998 00000 n Press. The end result was a 50 AE based case, with a rebated 308 Winchester™ rim that was necked down to accommodate 45 caliber rifle bullets (.458”). visit their website: https://www.SBRammunition.com. The project sponsor set forth a number of specific requirements namely that the cartridge had to fit in the M4 carbine and be capable of firing heavy-for-caliber projectiles at subsonic velocity using suppressors. I want to reload .458 SOCOM rounds, but only have limited data. My Nosler 8th edition has data … 0000090539 00000 n [2] In 2009, Barnes developed a new bullet specifically for use in the .458 SOCOM, the 300 grain Tipped Triple Shock X, also known as the TTSX or TAC-X. History Edit. Diam. H�. I’m using h4198. Reloder7 at 25gr, 2.25 COAL H4198 at 27gr, 2.25 COAL AA2015 at 26gr, 2.25 COAL I have no experience with that bullet or load but I … Call: 1-800-458-1641 / 912.264.5822. 1 304 0 0. I just base my starting load off of the Quickload jacketed data on the Teppo jutsu site and work it up. Sorry to head over here for .458 data, but I have finished building my house and now have plenty of time for reloading and shooting. 0000014020 00000 n RImike. Recently bought a 10.5" .458 Socom barrel. Not buying any factory ammo for now so I bought a Lyman .458" 330gr mold for the price of 1 box of SOCOM ammo! Looking into the idea of building a form 1 can for it. The .458 SOCOM is a relatively large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern rifle. 0000006279 00000 n Powder ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 2200 Accurate 2230 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Accurate LT-30 Accurate LT-32 Ramshot Enforcer Ramshot X-Terminator. 0000001418 00000 n www.teppojutsu.com/ We service all Teppo Jutsu AR uppers and firearms Hope fully about June SAAMI will recognize the socom as a mainstream caliber. the R&D was provided by Marty ter Weeme, founder of Teppo Jutsu; and the first rifles were manufactured by Tony Rumore, founder of Tromix™ - a slowly rising star was born in 2001. The company was motivated to develop the cartridge by unofficial discussions with a senior member of U.S Special Operations member in the wake of the bloody 1993 battle in Mogadishu, Somalia. They build an AR which will shoot .458 SOCOM (that "special forces" mystique again!) A 458 is my next upper. My favorite load is using h110 and the 300gn barns ttsx. ... ↑ "Teppo Jutsu 458 SOCOM FAQ" External links ... .458 SOCOM, military.com; Another website dedicated to the 458SOCOM platform. My pet load for the 325FTX is 37.0gr of RE-7. Questions and Discussion of Load Selections and Development.All data supplied is use at your own risk! Any advice would be appreciated. 460 wthby) The.458 SOCOM (11.63×40mm) is a moderately large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern lower receiver. Apparently the new nosler load manual is advertising 458 Socom load data FYI Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk . Hornady FTX. .458 SOCOM - Manufacturer Loading Data. I hope to compare notes with a few of you guys and possibly spread more information about cast bullets and the 458 socom. 2 great references for loading info, Teppo Jutsu website and 458socomfroum.com. That put it on my want list in a big way (and is how I'd justify it to HH6, who has seen enough bear mauling documentaries on TV that I have trouble getting her out of Anchorage in the first place). %PDF-1.7 %���� [citation needed] Marty ter Weeme of Teppo Jutsu designed the cartridge in 2000 and Tony Rumore of Tromix was contracted to build the first .458 SOCOM rifle in February 2001. We have continued the research and the development of the cartridge with extensive ballistic pressure testing and load improvements. Inspired by the lack of power offered by the 5.56 NATO cartridge used in the M4 and the M16, the .458 SOCOM came about from informal discussion of members of the special operations community, specifically Task Force Ranger's experience that multiple shots were required to neutralize members of the opposing force in Mogadishu during Operation Gothic Serpent. Combined with the wide selection of bullets available in .458 diameter, this cemented the choice of caliber. Radical firearms uppers (I have) are reverse engineered chamber reamed. barrel. Grains Vel. ... 458 socom reloading data 458 socom reloading data. I know its just one companies set of data but its the first time Ive seen anything published. If you don't have a .458 SOCOM rifle yet, contact Marty at www.teppojutsu.com , or order a Teppo Jutsu factory built upper at www.458socom.com. Casted the bullets using wheel weights and then powder coated the bullets. My few year old Modern Reloading by Richard Lee 2nd Edition does not have Socom data. The .50 AE and .499 LWR were ruled out because in 2000 only two bullets were offered in .501 diameter, both developed as pistol bullets for the .50 AE and not heavy enough for the subsonic suppressed role. The cartridges considered were 7.62×39mm, 9×39mm Grom, .45 Professional (which has since become the .450 Bushmaster), and .50 Action Express. The website dedicated to the .458SOCOM, where load data and other info also available. 0000000016 00000 n I currently have the following molds: RCBS 45-300-FN, 45-405-FN and Lyman 457483 (385 gn). Reloading Data. The .458 SOCOM (11.63×40mm) is a moderately large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern lower receiver. E-mail: info@SBR-USA.com The .458 SOCOM (11.63×40mm) is a moderately large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern lower receiver. Two traditional jacketed hollow point loads are offered: A 300 grain JHP is the most popular and is considered by more and more customers as the best value in 458 SOCOM. 0000007906 00000 n Lead data for .458socom is pretty much nil. and something newer called .338 Spectre. I know its just one companies set of data but its the first time Ive seen anything published. Standard Member Category: Reloading Data. Lead data for .458socom is pretty much nil. 0000052627 00000 n trailer <]/Prev 917140>> startxref 0 %%EOF 126 0 obj <>stream Got a .458 SOCOM rifle, and need matching apparel? You can find som lead data on forums guys post but it is usually for heavier bullets. Subscribe Unsubscribe. 0000054331 00000 n At the time, the .499 LWR cartridge was still in development phase and had not been chambered commercially. Mine is 2013 printing. Other loads for reloaders are available from the Teppo Jutsu Web site, and a lively reloading discussion is always underway at the .458 SOCOM Forum. Lyman 50th lists data for 3 Lehigh bullets, Hornady 500 gr. 458 SOCOM USES The final case design has base and rim dimensions identical to the .425 Westley Richards, although making .458 SOCOM cases from it is impractical due to the high cost of .425 brass. 0000002463 00000 n 10 rounds of .458 SOCOM (have heard 12) 40 rounds of .223 ? As noted above, the cartridge was designed to be 100% compatible with the M4 platform. A forum search has yielded mainly super sonic load data. Powder ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 2200 Accurate 2230 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Accurate LT-30 Accurate LT-32 Ramshot Enforcer Ramshot X-Terminator. We are one of the original manufactures of 458 SOCOM ammunition, and have been providing factory 458 SOCOM ammunition since it was developed by Marty ter Weeme, aka: Teppo Jutsu back in 2001. This is the place! A standard 20-round 5.56mm NATO magazine can hold seven .458 SOCOM rounds and a standard 30-round 5.56mm NATO magazine can hold ten .458 SOCOM rounds. .458 SOCOM - Manufacturer Loading Data. Read disclaimer at top of forum. Case Trim Length C.O.L. The samurai aspects seem superfluous over at Teppo Jutsu though, and are there to add mystique to their niche marketing of heavy-bullet wildcat catridges/weapon systems in the low supersonic and transonic speed range. I'll be looking at heavier, cast bullet loads. Rating - 100%. I used 350gr load data and my bullets after powder coating came to 339gr. The case length was chosen to be compatible with the Barnes 300-grain X Spitzer bullet. Research had indicated that a short belted cartridge called the .458 × 1.5" Barnes had been adopted for use in suppressed bolt-action rifles for use in SE Asia during the Vietnam War. 0000054638 00000 n Anyone have any suggestions on loading. In Shootinng Times magazine, Dick Metcalf listed several 450 gr barnes loads for the TSX. You can find som lead data on forums guys post but it is usually for heavier bullets. Teppo Jutsu has some reload data from the guy who came up with the round. Please contact them if you have any questions on the 458 SOCOM or 338 Spectre, they are the foremost experts with those two calibers. Use experience to come to the right COAL for the particular bullet and adjust the charge accordingly. Anyone have any sub-sonic loading data? By Kamotion, May 28, 2015 in Rifle/Shotgun. Thanks for the link. Barnes is the only company that has published any 458 socom data. Grains Vel. Powered by goEmerchant. 15 style rifle’s are new to me I thought I would start a thread to get some discussion going on this subject. Mailing List. By Kamotion, May 28, 2015 in Rifle/Shotgun. They are recommended by Teppo Jutsu and by Tromix.....the earliest and probably the two best 458 builders around. Bullet Type Primer. .458 SOCOM, 1.575 case length Hornady 325 gr FTX, 2.140 loaded length MAX loads, velocities estimated for 16" barrel Type mc (gr) fill (%) vel (fps) Pmax (psi) Z (%) Pmuz (psi) Norma 200 40.88 107.00 1828 35000 89.22 4777 Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 40.88 107.00 1828 35000 89.22 4777 Hodgdon Lil'Gun 32.61 85.00 1815 35000 99.96 4132 I think its the first time a powder company has actually published any exact information on 458 socom. 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